Celenia

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[Lalina]

I have a question/concern/possible change in one of the Hopebringer's granted powers:

Feeling of Good Will - The Hopebringer is usually looked on favorably by any thinking being and as such has increased charismatic abilities. The Hopebringer will gain this effect automatically on declaration of their status as a specialty priest of Celenia. Animals and non sentient beings will perceive this without introduction. Completely natural and neutral entities will ignore this feeling. The ability acts to make all who come in contact with the Hopebringer make an immediate reaction roll. The roll is modified in favor of the Hopebringer by one per level of the Hopebringer. Also, those with favorable reactions tend to be very impressed with the Hopebringer and make an effort to be their friend and help them, as appropriate to the situation. Officious bureaucrats might decide to become helpful; surly gate guards might wax informative; attacking gnolls might spare the caster's life, taking him captive instead. This effect is permanent, but on later encounters a new reaction roll is still made to decide the actions as sentient beings are fickle.

Now, it is somewhat unclear if animals would be affected by this, although the evidence seems to weigh that they do not.

If not, why don't they?  I think that as representatives of healing and life, animals would react more favorably to them.  After all, how could a Hopebringer get close enough to help a wounded or hungry animal if it is going to spring and attack her?  If animals can instinctively feel Celenia's blessing -- which is noted above -- why wouldn't they react more favorably?

I think the creatures that would ignore this are: golems, constructs, elementals, and the like.

[DarkRayden]

The Hopebringer will gain this effect automatically on declaration of their status as a specialty priest of Celenia. Animals and non sentient beings will perceive this without introduction.

By what is said above, I kind of grasped that animals would feel this (favorable) effect regardless if you mention of you being a priest of Celenia or not. They'll sense it. It is rather clearly stated.
The less perceived part is the reaction of hostile (toward the priest) creatures. How does it come on practice if a blood sworn enemy of Celenia faces this priest? what whould be the reaction in this case?
And what would be the base modifier for reaction for hostile and non-hostile beings?

[Lalina]

From my understanding, it will still have an impact.  On the encounter chart, the roll you make (modified) is then applied to a chart that has 16 possibilities... whether each of the targets are friendly, indifferent, threatening, or hostile.

So, in the case you mention, the person opposite the Celenia SP would begin with a hostile reaction.  Then the DM what the Celenia SP's reaction would be, make the roll, adjust it accordingly, and give a result.

[kluu]

Animals, which in the rules need a reaction roll to decide how they will act, depending on the circumstances will always be modified favorably for the SP of Celenia, even though they have no way of knowing who they are, they jsut percive their aura of health and kindness or soemthing.

Only thinga that are normally neutral or completely natural to an environ will not be effected by this. These will act accrodingly to their nature no matter what and are not swayed by the SP's aura.

Enemies of the SP would have to make an immediate reactoin roll on the SP stating they are an SP of Celenia. This is favorably modified for the SP. So those coming to kil the priests of Celenia could change their minds and instead look favorably on the SP once they make themselves known.

Some differntiation between sentient or unnatural animal types and animal life is made because Celenia is not the goddess of animal life, Tyre is. So to not step on Tyre's domain, Celenia was not expressly given any normal animal control in this way. Thus the completely natural and neutral animal life not being effected.

[Lalina]

kluu, just so that I can be clear.... can you give some examples of "completely neutral and natural animal life" that won't be affected?

Otherwise, I'm still kinda confuzzled.

[kluu]

Any non sentient, non magical animal listed in the Monstrous Manual (or any other that fits this description) that is of neutral alignment and still in a natural state; I. E. wild, non domesticated, untrained, unfamiliar with sentient environments (once trianed or if living around sentient envrirons they are no longer natural), woud not be effected

Examples: Common Bat, Large Bat, Bears, Birds, Cats, Great Cats, Crocodile, Wild Dogs, Fish, Poisonous Frog, Wild Horses, Normal Insects, Insect Swarm, Leech Swarm, Normal Lizards, Normal Mammals, Normal Herd Mammals, Normal Small Mammals, Normal Scorpions, Normal Snakes, Normal Spiders, Whales, etc...

[Lalina]

Ah, now I understand.

What about diseased animals and/or rabid?  Or an animal that has grown accustomed to hunting humans/demihumans (which is not necessarily a natural thing to do)?  Or animals that have grown accostomed to hunting and hunt even when not needed for hunger?  Would they then be affected?

[kluu]

I would say that if their unnatural actions are brought on by other natural things, such as disease or weather or soemthing like that, then they are not effected, but if brought on by things outside normal natural instances, like hunting in human areas for sport or going on a rampage becasue of being crowded by civilization or other sentient actions, like some tigers or rogue elephants and the like then they probably would be effected by the aura.

[Lalina]

Uh, this post is in the wrong spot.  Just realized it is in the chaotic pantheon forum here...

but on the website she is listed as part of the neutral pantheon, she is afterall, a daughter of Ostran.  For a lot of reasons she is supposed to be in the neutral pantheon.

Admin, can this forum be switched to that?

[Suleidan]

on the godscom boards she is under chaos... sorry

we will clear this up with some discussion .

[Lalina]

Quote from the gods writeup:

"From out of Ostran come Loralis and Celenia, mystery and healing to preserve a balance. "

It also lists her as NG and part of the neutral pantheon.

There are chaotic elements of Celenia, like the fact that she often does her own thing.

However, she works very hard to maintain balance (something stated over and over in her writeup).

Furthermore, she is also seem as the goddess of positive emotions, marriage, love, etc.  Indeed, one of the tenants of her clergy is to uphold marriage, I believe.  Furthermore, she is one of the primary halfling dieties as the goddess of home, hearth, etc.

So, some chaotic elements, some lawful ones -- makes her in the neutral pantheon (although a strange member of it) and a being "of pure goodness".

[Suleidan]

All I'm saying is that the godscom (which is among the more recent) has Chaos down as her realm ;p...

I'm sure there are reasons why for both ideas.  but I am also saying that perhaps it is not a mistake.

[Lalina]

Uh, this is the most recent:

http://gods.kyranath.com/


And it has her in the neutral pantheon.

[Lalina]

It also switches Ajoetis into the Chaotic Pantheon, to even out the pantheons.