I resign

[Scionist]

I apologize to those of you who voted for me.  I've asked that my access be removed and to no longer be a TC rep.  My presence on these boards will diminish drastically but I'm not leaving thardferr.  I'm just going back to the reason I came here in the first place.  To play a game and have fun.

[Suleidan]

Effective about 5 minutes ago I have resigned also...

However it is due to a specific atmosphere that has been honed, garnished, brandished, employed by one or two individuals which has caused this.

In my opinion these two indivduals are helping to ruin thardferr.. at least the thardferr that I loved and thought I knew.

With my ill feelings towards these two people... one more than the other, as the other is almost always tolerable, I do not think I can effectively do my job because every time they chime in I just shake my head and think they are idiots.  

Which makes me not really a good representative at this time.

Hopefully I will get over this... if not, peace

[Lalina]

I am resigning as well.  My last official act as a TC member is to call for the abolition of the TC.

With my resignation, every member of the initial active TC (Suledian, Scionist, Gibreel and myself) have resigned.   I'll not speculate on what that means -- I will let others do that.  I will just say that because the player base is so small at the moment, I believe the TC should be abolished and all proposals and voting done by a popular vote of players and DMs.  When there are only a few DMs, they is no DMC.  Perhaps, when there are only a few players, there ought be no TC.  I call for a movement to abolition the TC.

For my information as to why I am resigning, please see this thread:

Me, as your rep.  

[Gibreel]

Can't say I don't think this is a good idea. Not because I think you did not make a good attempt (You outlasted me)and not thinking you had nothing to offer (I think everyone has good ideas crushed)--but because the enviroment is so shattered at this time that you are better off not suffering through the bureacracy and manipulation of others.

[Paks]

I think this is a real shame. You have all put in a lot of effort on behalf of the players and i think you all deserve a big thanks for the work you all did.

[Joe]

Thardferr chewed through five TC members in about two months (Gibreel, Suleidan, Endel, Lalina, Scoinist); so we are looking at about 30 members a year at this rate. Hmmm, makes me think about the number of DMs that have left this year. Rithas, Whisperpoint, Colgere, Antonius, and Endel. Who knows how many players have left in the same time frame? And these names aren't even newbie names. We have four people with I believe the most junior member (Lalina) being in Thardferr just under two years becoming disenfrachised with the OOC system. Then five (the DMs) leaving the entire setting. Heck that is half the active DMs of Thardferr that have left. Three of the five are now running non-Thardferr games now. I believe the remaining DMs are Gralbor, Feff, Kluu, Cleo, and Nikhir.

With every resignation I just feel like a little bit of Thardferr has died and it saddens me immensly to see these three all quit, and all quit on the same day. I feel like something failed somewhere along the line to see you three leaving your posts and no longer representing the players of Thardferr. Goodluck and I hope you are able to recapture the "fun" that you had in Thardferr before being a TC member.

[Jereth Ingsbe]

Not that I partake of too much of the Thardferr OOC realm, I must remark, that when I look over the TC proposals of late I find them to be confusing and somewhat redunant. In fact I believe I can empathise with the resigning members upon their frustration, since some of the material I've seen pass these august boards seems trivial and almost intentionally so.

But the one point made by a TC member that does make sense is the call made by TC rep Lalina, to abolish the TC. In many of the recent posts and arguments, the declining population of the Thardferr community has been indicated if not brandished. The bulky and hardly satisfactory representative process of voting seems unhealthy for such a small community, especially in the face of a simple forum "everyone" voting system, where all votes are felt to count. This sidesteps the bludgeoning process of representatives attempting to try and understand every proposal and shape it to their own internal viewpoints.

So to be the first to cast my open forum vote, though I know at this time it does not count, I vote that we abolish the TC.

[kluu]

For all the talk of inactivity and buroeacracy getting inthe way, etc.. I look at the boards and see more proposalsa being discussed, more things actually added, more things voted down and more things in the process of being passed or failed now and in thelast month than was done in the last year by the previous TC.

I understand the frustration but Iwould like to congratulate all of you , even those leaving, for being in the last month the most active TC in over two years.

I am sorry to see yo uleave, but I believe that what has happened is proof not that the TC should be abolished  but that it actually has been useful and working in the absense of the DM that normally deal with most of this trivial and bureaucratic things.

[Gibreel]

Like everything as of late, it seems opinions are split down the middle, and that they are totally opposite in most cases. Perhaps it is run-ff from feeling about election Politics--or maybe it is just the American way--I don't know.

Right now it seems half the people think the buroeacracy is getting in the way, while the other half think that each rule passed streamlines the system. One side thinks things have been active, while the other half thinks most of those proposals rewrite already existing rules or are silly like voting if we want to welcome new players.

My thoughts fits those psoted above by someone on the outside looking in "Not that I partake of too much of the Thardferr OOC realm, I must remark, that when I look over the TC proposals of late I find them to be confusing and somewhat redunant. In fact I believe I can empathise with the resigning members upon their frustration, since some of the material I've seen pass these august boards seems trivial and almost intentionally so."
 
But Forget who is right..... I just know when both side are so oppossed half will be angry all the time.

[Nalia]

I know all three of you and Im pretty sure that you have a good reason for resigning but its sad to see you all leave. i know that the TC can be hard and admit I didnt really have enough time when i was there, but you guys were great choices. if you feel that it was bad enough to leave, then i'll believe you. i'm just sad to see you guys feel you have to quit  

[Suleidan]

Along this line... I do want to appologize to those that voted for me to be their representative... Thankfully with the system in place as of now, each of our three departing slots (lalina, sciontist, and my own) will have a chance for a new representative to actually be voted in...

So you will have a replacement whom you can actually give votes to.

In some respects I do feel that my actions could perhaps be representative on their own... leaving the TC as I do not in good faith believe it is an institution that accomplishes what it was set out to years ago.

With that said, I do in some respects, feel that it would be better for all of you to represent your self...  And call for the abolishment of the TC.

This would not mean 'giving over control' to the DMs to 'rule us'   or any of the dark sinister things Nyr is trying to say on the other thread.

Instead, I would see it in one of two ways...

Having the current TC votes broken down into sort of 'electoral' college votes, wheras if 51% vote 'aye' and 49% vote 'nay' on a proposal 3 votes would go Aye, one vote would go nay, and then those votes would be put together with the DMC votes... (( Thus, the DMC portion of the TC would actually stay instated (at least as far as it is now.. ) ))

or,
having 'majority vote win' and if 51% received Aye, or Nay, then all four PC votes would go with the majority, (making it require only one DM to agree to pass or fail)...


Either way, I feel that in these times, it would be a better way to handle issues that come before the people for change or adaption or new things.


~Sule

[Suleidan]

(nt)

[Scionist]

I would like to clarify something for anyone who cares to know.  I didn't consult anyone and "conspire" to resign with them.  I had been agonizing over it for quite some time.  I asked none of the others to resign with me and had no idea that they would.  I didn't have any ulterior motive to undermind or destroy the TC.  It became quite apparent to me that I was no longer willing or able to put up with the constant bickering, innuendo and general discord.  

In addition to this I have developed a resentment towards certain individuals and have become biased regarding anything they say.  In my personal opinion, a large part of being a public representative is having an open and unbiased mind towards ALL that you represent.  One must be able to deal with those who are perceived wrong and represent their opinion to the best of one's ability.  I had to face the fact that I am unable to fulfill that requirement with regard to EVERY PC.  So, in good conscience I could not continue to be a TC Rep according to my own standards, so I resigned.

[Aeron Tevesh]

ummm....woa.

[Heretic]

Boy ya move a new place, get deployed to a foreign country again and then bam everything goes to crap while your outta the loop.